Sunday, December 14, 2008

Editorial #5 Comments due by 12/19 MIDNIGHT!

December 14, 2008
Op-Ed Columnist - NY Times
A Finger in the Dike
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

For the first time in human history, I agree with Dick Cheney. According to The Los Angeles Times, he warned Republican senators that if they refused to bail out the auto companies, “we will be known as the party of Herbert Hoover forever.”
The senators from the Herbert Hoover Party promptly fumbled, but President Bush seems poised to rescue the car companies anyway. Thank heaven!
Look, there are plenty of sound arguments against a bailout. But there’s a practical argument that trumps everything: when conditions are so fragile, we can’t risk a staggering blow to the national economy. When you see a hole in the dike, don’t discuss the virtues of laissez-faire policies — plug it!
There were also sound arguments for not rescuing Lehman Brothers. So the government allowed Lehman to collapse — and almost everybody now recognizes that it was a mistake that cost taxpayers more than a bailout would have.
Lehman Brothers was small potatoes — a tiny French fry — compared with America’s automakers. Lehman Brothers had 25,000 employees worldwide; General Motors alone has 250,000.
The Big Three have almost 400,000 employees worldwide, including about 230,000 in the United States. In addition, several hundred thousand people make car parts for the Big Three, and a half-million more sell or distribute cars from them. All told, considerably more than one million jobs in the United States depend directly on the American automakers, and many more indirectly.
Let’s look at the reasons cited for washing our hands of the auto companies:
A rescue mucks up the dynamic of capitalism; governments shouldn’t spend taxpayer dollars to reward failure. Thomas Murphy, the chairman of General Motors at the time of the 1979 Chrysler bailout, perhaps put it best: a bailout of Chrysler, he said then, would constitute “a basic challenge to the philosophy of America.”
In fact, the Chrysler bailout went ahead and worked pretty well. Jobs were saved, Chrysler retooled and came up with successful cars that included the first minivan, and the Treasury was repaid and made a profit on the bailout.
We’ve already rewarded failure by bailing out the banking sector, because the alternative was worse. If the same is true again, and it’s cheaper to rescue the car companies than clean up the mess afterward, wouldn’t a rescue reflect a pragmatism that is precisely “the philosophy of America”?
The solution isn’t a bailout, it’s bankruptcy. If the car companies enter Chapter 11, they’ll be able to rework burdensome contracts and actually make themselves competitive again. That’s how the airlines recovered, and auto companies shouldn’t be favored.
Bankruptcy would be a gamble because we just don’t know whether cars from bankrupt companies will still sell. I’ll buy a $400 air ticket to fly on a bankrupt airline, because it’ll still be honored in a month’s time, but that doesn’t mean I’ll spend $30,000 on a car from a bankrupt company when I’m counting on its resale value in 10 years’ time.
While bankruptcy would help automakers extricate themselves from onerous contracts, the gap with foreign automakers isn’t as wide as some believe. As my Times colleague David Leonhardt has noted, the reported $73-an-hour wage in Detroit is a fiction. Union workers at the Big Three get about $55 per hour in wages and benefits, compared with $45 per hour for nonunion workers at the American plants of Honda or Toyota. One reason for the gap is that the Detroit labor force is older, and health and other benefits are always more expensive for a 50-year-old worker than for one half that age.
A bailout is hopeless: This is a bridge loan to nowhere.
Yes, the Obama administration will have to come back in January with a full rescue package. The package should focus on saving jobs, not stockholders or bondholders. Shareholders should lose most of their investments, bondholders should get a haircut, managers and board members should be ousted, autoworkers should have their pay and benefits trimmed to market levels, and taxpayers should get an equity stake that they could profit from.
But saving the auto sector isn’t hopeless. Car companies have made progress in recent years, as underscored by the Chevy Volt, a plug-in hybrid that can go 40 miles without using a drop of gas. (The catch is that if gas prices stay as low as they are now, consumers may instead be demanding gas-guzzling S.U.V.’s.)
Think of a bailout as part of the huge planned stimulus package. It’s much cheaper to keep people in their existing jobs than to create new jobs elsewhere.
I lived in Tokyo in the 1990s, as perfectly reasonable arguments for government restraint led to acquiescence in the face of escalating economic disasters. Anyone who lived through Japan’s “lost decade” understands that the risks of inaction are greater than the risks of action.

30 comments:

Renee said...

I believe that it would be best to bail out the auto companies. It’s true that bailing them out would be like rewarding their failures, but we can't let that affect the employees who went to work everyday oblivious to the number of problems their company faced.
If we do not bail the auto companies out then thousands of people will lose their jobs which will result in an increased number of house foreclosures causing innocent people to become homeless. If we allow these companies to go bankrupt there is no guarantee that competition will help them like it did for the airlines. So our best bet is to bailout The Big Three auto companies and hope that it is enough to rescue thousands of jobs without further hindering our enconomy.
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Anonymous said...

I believe that we should bail out the auto companies. I don't like the idea of giving them money for their mistakes, but if we don't bail the auto companies out then too many people will lose their jobs. Now, it is nearly impossible for someone to get a decent, good-paying job and to have all of these people who desperately need money will have such a difficult time finding work or anything to at least get their foot in the door.
Also, if people lose their jobs, most likely they will have a hard time finding another job and that may lead to panic and the crime rates might go up. I think we should do everything we can to keep from a depression. Even if it's a hopeless case, we can at least try.
-Amanda (13894)

Anonymous said...

I think it would be best to bail out the big three because too many jobs are riding on it. It isn't fair and they shouldn't be rewarded for messing up but at the same time the workers shouldn't have to lose their jobs when many have families to support. A massive loss of jobs needs to be avoided at almost all cost. With loss of jobs also comes an increased crime rate and even more foreclosures. So even though I think that the auto companies should have to deal with the mess they got themselves into I don't think the workers should have to and so I support the bailout.

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13088 said...

Overall I believe that it would be best if we bail out the big three. The auto companies are just making our economy suffer more, even though they provide us with cars, but they got into that mess so they have to get out by themselves. It would just cost us more money and we already in a bad situation. They should just bail the big three and move on with the other car companies. We just have to wait and see what Obama wants to do with this situation; he has so many things to take care when he enters the white house in January. Maybe a miracle could happen, who knows.

Maria14 said...

I believe that the best thing is to bail out the auto companies. Even though it sounds like a reward to those auto companies who failed. But if the government does not give the auto companies the bail out then many people will be lots more of unemployed people. So hopeful those auto companies will get the bail out money so that hopeful a lot of jobs are rescue.

Eric Rivas said...

Hey Mr. Yang,

I would have to agree with my classmates so far. I think that the bail out for the auto companies is necessary, not only to help them out but our economy and the millions of jobs they secure. As of right not our economy is not in the best shape so i think the government needs to take all the necessary precautions in order to keep us out of a depression.
On the other hand i do believe that the auto companies should pay the price but not if it is going to affect the citizens of the United States.

-Eric Rivas
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13772 said...

I liked this article, it had a very compelling argument which was jobs. Todays society is running around whether people have jobs or not, and that is a big topic, talking about the survival of millions, who knows maybe the bail out might stimulate the economy a bit enough to get ourselves on our feet again. One thing is that if these people do lose their jobs, they are all going to apply for welfare, that just increases taxes and then forces people to pinch their walets more, and thus making the economy worse than it already is. Its no longer about the car companies making millions, its now about saving jobs, and if it means a bail out, it might be better for the nation as a whole.
-Wilson Rodriguez

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Josh E. said...

I agree that Congress has the responsibility to bailout the Big Three Automakers despite their reckless management. I also believe, however, that companies who employ enough people to affect the global economy need stict government oversite. The collapse of these three companies and the fail of so many banks should usher in a new, stricter era of government oversite. The mentality behind this era is that if a business reaps billions of dollars every year and employs hundreds of thousands of people, the company must show enormous responsiblity from its assets to its employees and not fight government regulations, or thrive under tariffs, to turn a profit.

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Robert said...

Dear Mr. Yang,
I support bailing out the Big Three companies. In my opinion, it is a proficient idea that will have a positive and negative effect. The Big Three made unreasonable choices in their marketing methods as well as doing very little to improve their cars efficiencies. But if we do not bail them out we will have several thousands of people unemployed which will make our economic crisis even worse. As Mr. Yang stated, “where throwing money at them and hoping everything will get better”(Yang). We really do not know what the outcome of the bailout will generate but the risk of not doing anything is greater than that of doing something.

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Raul R. said...

I think the three auto companies should be bailed. It has both positive and negative effects but if we don't do something the economy will get worse and many people will lose their jobs and homes.
it will be like aproving their failures but this is necessary to keep the economy crisis from getting worse. We should bailed them and wait for the best, it is better than nothing.

Raul Rojas
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Erick said...

I believe that the government should bail out the auto companies because it we dont, then many people will lose their jobs. They will have a hard time finding a job due to the fact that a lot of people will also be looking for a job which will probably lead to panic and a higher crime rate. If we approve the bail out and it fails, we can atleast say that we tried to make things better. We shouldnt punish innocent workers for the mistakes of their employers. We give the people hope of surviving this economic crisis by bailing out the auto companies.

Erick Soto
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Brianda said...

WE NEED TO BAIL OUT THE COMPANIES. IM THE KIND OF PERSON WHO IF YOU DID A MISTAKE YOU SHOUL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONSEQUENCES, BUT IN THIS CASE I DISAGGRE. I MIGHT NOT BE IN THE WORKING FIELD YET BUT IF I WAS I WOULDNT LIKE TO LOOSE MY JOB THAT IVE HAD FOR SO LONG. IF WE DONT BAIL OUT THE COMPANIES THEY WILL EFFECT SO MANY FAMILIES AND YOU GUYS ALL KNOW WE ARE LINKED TOGETHER. WE NEED A GOOD SOLUTION OR WE WILL NEVER GET OUT OF THIS CRISIS. IF THE WORKERS LOODE THERE JOB THAT WOULD MEAN MORE MONEY TO HELP OUT THE UMEMPLOYED.
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poetic dreamz said...

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Not only do I believe, but i support to the fullest the effect of pledge and support to bail out these magnificent auto companies. Think about it, these three major companies create countless jobs which also branch out into other manufacturers of certain parts to these automobiles which in turn create even more countless jobs. If we allow these shops of job distribution to fall victim to the horrible term !!!Bankruptcy!!! then we can say goodbye to hundreds of thousands of jobs and hello to hundreds of thousands of unemployed workers who are starving and searching just to feed their families. Once the disengaged have hit the streets and become in search it makes other companies look at who's willing to work for the less amount of pay and it becomes this gigantic manopoly where we become on step ahead of the formal slave. Why use they aiding money obtained by our taxes to some sort of policy or plan that'll take time to spark in motion when we have a way to remain stable now. I'm not saying that this will buy refuge or salvation to our unstable economy but somethings it will buy is time, resourceful time, needed time. Though there may be many problems the companies face, a truism due to the fact that they're in the predicument they're in now... lets be reasonable and right. If you'd like a job for your children and your children's children then raise your hand fast, because if we don't aid the 'Big Three' if you may, then there will be slim to none available tomorrow. Save our average working yang, i mean joe.

(Sorry for the fluff.)

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Unknown said...

There are way too many pros and cons in deciding whether we should bail out the car companies. Like, it's either not pay and let them suffer, which would make us suffer, or pay the bailout, which would still make us suffer. Inevitability, thy name is Bailout. And with the economy as bad as it is already, whose really willing to pitch in an extra million to help the car companies? I know I probably wouldn't. We need the money. And now that gas cost as much as bread, I can bet that many people don't care that their cars get 2 miles to the gallon. So people will spring for the cheap gas guzzlers rather than springing for the rather pricey Prius. The way I think of it, we're going to get screwed somehow.

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johnnyindo said...

i think that we really do have to bail them out. Even though it's not the government's job to help out things can only get worst with 400,000 unemployed people in america trying to get jobs elsewhere. It isn't fair that they get to be helped but at the sametime the whole country and world should't have to suffer too just because a few executives got a little greedy. Maybe we can do something else to punish, but maybe we should do that when we're not in an economic crisis.
More than likely though we'll have some major problem like this in about 20 years all over since the economy goes in cycles through its good and bad times

-Jonny Poluan
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Aracely said...

Mr. Yang

I like the article because talks about the hot topic that Congress is having right now. I think that the government should give the bail out so the number of unployeers can go down. I think that helping this auto companies would help people and would help the economy.

13369 said...

I believe we should bail out the auto companies because if we don't then the economy can worsen. In case we don't help the auto companies then the people that are going to loose their jobs will not be able to buy things so it can help the economy(the cycle). When these people loose their jobs, its going to be hard for them to find another job since not a lot of places are hiring especially during these times of crisis.

Rebecca G said...

I have to agree with Renee. Letting the many people out of work would be even worse for the economy then it already is. The big auto companies seem kind of selfish to take the money but without it the loss of jobs would be worse. especially since our unemployment rate is already the highest it has been in many years. So i say i would support the bailout
Rebecca
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CC6610 said...

There is nothing to say. We can't just sit around and let the "big 3" fail. Most of our economy is depending on these jobs. As a conservative, I don't believe the government should mingle in business affairs, but as a citizen who now has to grow up in these times and must deal with the economy, I believe the bailout is our only option. It doesn't matter what's best or right or fair. It's what MUST be done. Not one citizen can afford to lose their jobs. Let the past repeat itself. Have a bailout and reap the rewards. 'nuff said.

Crystal Chavez
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gracielou09 said...

Dear Mr. Yang.
Merry Christmas!!!!

Since, I'm in the Christmas spirit, I believe the US government should bail out the three major automobile companies because too many people will be losing their jobs and homes if they don't. Yes, its going to put us in even more debt, but we let this happen to our country...and now its going to take some time for us to get back to the prosperous nation we once were. But from this point on, their should be more government regulation with big companies and banks. Hopefully this bailout works because I really don't have the money to be paying for four AP exams.....Mr. Yang....

Gracie Viera
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13505 said...

to me, the bail out is a lose lose situation. if we bail out the companies, we give them our well earned money that we pay for taxes that could be put to better use. If we don't bail them out, too many people lose their jobs. People losing their jobs cause a domino effect, people not having jobs create high taxes and, evidently, the loss of homes, businesses, and even more money.

Dante said...

Honestly the bail out plan is a good idea because the economy cannot afford to lose another 430,000 jobs. People can say "let the auto companies go bankrupt" but they don't figure that not only is our economy bad but if it gets worse we can't allow the big 3 to go bankrupt. If the bailout is given the Money has to be supervised, not like the 700 billion dollar one was.

dante Gamboa

michael said...

hey mr. yang
although bailing out the auto companies who've suffered major downfalls is a waste of money, it is a good idea because it will save thousands of jobs. we have to bail out these companies because if not a domino effect can occur. those who lose their jobs in these companies will have foreclsures and unpaid loans which will lead to bankrupcy which will lead to a greater downfall in the economy. our economy is dependent among these huge companies and their downfall will result in an even worse recession.
michael hernandez
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p.s. you better give me an A in the class mr. yang

vb0991 said...

In my opinion we should not bail out the three major car companies. yes many argue that it will cost about a million people their jobs and that would make the economy worse, but I don't believe that these companies which made mistakes should get bailed out. It anything I believe they should fall and hope that a foreign company buys them, which in the end could be a similar solution to a bail but without having to use the governments money. If this were to happen those whose jobs would be "lost" would remain but with a lower salary at best.

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Andrea said...

Hi Mr. Yang!

I think that the U.S. government should bail out the auto companies because it will cost taxpayers less money than if they don't. On the other hand, I also think the auto companies should be more regulated by the government so we can try and prevent a repeat of this in the future... although the cynic in me thinks this is extremely unlikely...oh well!

Peace out!
Andrea M.
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13504 said...

I can understand and agree why the government bailed out GM, Chrysler, and Ford, because of all the unemployment that would definitely ensue if they did not make the loan. however, I believe that these car companies should not be let off so easily. They made a mistake and therefore must pay for it-and must do more.

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